just would like to have a place for those who went today to post their experience and the reception of the 7/15 study article on apostates..
Iquit this was the study article in the Kool-aide edition.
Oracle you hit the nail on the head thats exactly what it was about.
In truth I feel its impact was lost on most there. The die hards ate it up but the common JW just going thru the motion I dont think they cared.
Looking thru this post reminded me of a lot of friends who moved on.
I cant remember the exact reason why Nvr stopped posting but basically he moved on nothing major.
Bumping this to share my new favorite and pretty much the only cigar I want to smoke...I give you the Acid Kuba Kuba!
I avoided acid's for the longest based on Frank 75 thoughts on the acid nasty's. I always pictured them as well acidic and nasty.
The Kuba Kuba and its little brother the blondie are great smokes. I have a pic of me along with my 2 best friends smoking a kuba kuba I wish I could share.
Ive also enjoyed the acid deep dish and recently purchased a ming dynasty that is now sitting in my humidor waiting for the right occasion...namely when I buy a bottle of aberlour 35 to pair it with.
ok i was a born in and never watched or touched anything to do with hypnotist's as we are told to avoid them at all costs and i always followed all the rules to the letter.. so yesterday we have the county fair going on and they have this hypnotist show so i went to it.
the hypnotist called up about 15 people on stage and tried to put them under.
about five of them he just could not put them under so that left about ten people on stage.. of those ten the hypnotist could do almost anything to them, it looked like it was staged expect one of the young women had been sitting right by me and her friends were right next to me, so it did seem legit.. the hypnotist had them fall asleep and when they were in that state he would tell them that when they woke up they would react to key words he had said to them or when he touched his face a cretin way.. it sort of freaked me out because it was like how i was in the religion.
Lits yes it is hard to believe especially if you were born in.
Until I read that article it never occured to me that ALL of the kingom songs were soft lulibys. Not one vigorous stiring march type song.
Thats why I believe they push for new recruits to come to the meetings so tough cause thats where the real conditioning takes place.
just would like to have a place for those who went today to post their experience and the reception of the 7/15 study article on apostates..
Just would like to have a place for those who went today to post their experience and the reception of the 7/15 study article on apostates.
ok i was a born in and never watched or touched anything to do with hypnotist's as we are told to avoid them at all costs and i always followed all the rules to the letter.. so yesterday we have the county fair going on and they have this hypnotist show so i went to it.
the hypnotist called up about 15 people on stage and tried to put them under.
about five of them he just could not put them under so that left about ten people on stage.. of those ten the hypnotist could do almost anything to them, it looked like it was staged expect one of the young women had been sitting right by me and her friends were right next to me, so it did seem legit.. the hypnotist had them fall asleep and when they were in that state he would tell them that when they woke up they would react to key words he had said to them or when he touched his face a cretin way.. it sort of freaked me out because it was like how i was in the religion.
Journey-on
As to the why I dont know. People do things for the sake of power that rational people wonder about.
One powerful Human and Manly need that JW's have conditioned out of us is the need to leave a legacy behind.
I have always said that the JW's emasculate you as a man with its doctrines and this is a prime example. Rutherford wanted a legacy of his on and power in the now. He stole russels legacy and re-fashioned it to his own ends.
a good example of how power corupts is the movie 'a face in the crowd.' stars andy griffith in a role you want forget. Its worth a watch and holds up well to current relevancy.
ok i was a born in and never watched or touched anything to do with hypnotist's as we are told to avoid them at all costs and i always followed all the rules to the letter.. so yesterday we have the county fair going on and they have this hypnotist show so i went to it.
the hypnotist called up about 15 people on stage and tried to put them under.
about five of them he just could not put them under so that left about ten people on stage.. of those ten the hypnotist could do almost anything to them, it looked like it was staged expect one of the young women had been sitting right by me and her friends were right next to me, so it did seem legit.. the hypnotist had them fall asleep and when they were in that state he would tell them that when they woke up they would react to key words he had said to them or when he touched his face a cretin way.. it sort of freaked me out because it was like how i was in the religion.
Journey-on: Now, if it is intentional, why do you think this is done?
Come on its all about control. If you read the full article he says how the WT study, hasn't changed since the 30's and how the form of group hypnosis they use was very popular back than. Now think if 'judge' rutherford was a trial lawyer he would be familar with hypnotic suggestions used to sway jurors.
ok i was a born in and never watched or touched anything to do with hypnotist's as we are told to avoid them at all costs and i always followed all the rules to the letter.. so yesterday we have the county fair going on and they have this hypnotist show so i went to it.
the hypnotist called up about 15 people on stage and tried to put them under.
about five of them he just could not put them under so that left about ten people on stage.. of those ten the hypnotist could do almost anything to them, it looked like it was staged expect one of the young women had been sitting right by me and her friends were right next to me, so it did seem legit.. the hypnotist had them fall asleep and when they were in that state he would tell them that when they woke up they would react to key words he had said to them or when he touched his face a cretin way.. it sort of freaked me out because it was like how i was in the religion.
If you notice not one of the songs are uptempo marches. They are all somber tunes that lull you to sleep.
It was this thread posted a coupla years ago that convinced me they use a form of group hypnosis, you can draw your own conclusions.
The author (from Australia) makes some great points.
http://www.noelbatten.com/watchtower.pdf
46 pages long
Some excerpts:
I began to investigate the Watchtower teachings after seeing a phenomenal number of
Jehovah Witnesses attend my office with depression and fatigue related illnesses. One such
client invited me to study with her and her colleague and when I did, I noticed they were
unknowingly using a form of direct clinical hypnosis on me, introduced through their study
magazines, which is the same as I have used to treat people for phobias. The only difference
was, they were using it on me "to give me phobias about life outside the Watchtower
movement" and for blood transfusion.
it is my opinion they deplete the mental potential of thousands of
adults and children who attend expecting to be taught Christian ethics but instead, are
given a self-destructive attitude towards life and towards the efforts of personal
development in life.
The United Nations Religion Declaration requires, leaders of religion must be responsible
and their teachings must not diminish mental capacity or cause difficulties to health. It is
my opinion the Watchtower Society is violating this Declaration and it is time they were
held accountable. After counseling many Jehovah Witnesses it is my opinion their mental
capacity to answer certain questions has purposefully been suppressed through hypnosis.
As an experienced clinical hypnotist who studied the early principals of Charcot
hypnosis introduced to America by Freud in 1908, I believe the chairman of the
Jehovah Witness movement at that time, Joseph Rutherford, a student of
psychology, applied Charcot's hypnosis to the format of the J.W. meetings in 1914
and this hypnosis format is being used to this day. The way "all" Jehovah Witness
minds are blocked off from understanding specific simple sentences, is my proof.
Jehovah Witnesses have had their self-thinking skills removed through hypnosis!
After counseling many J.W's and studying with them, I came to the opinion that
hypnosis has been used to stop them from thinking for themselves. By using the
enclosed 190 scriptures worded from their own Bible, anyone can test J.W's to
prove their mind has been hypnotized to remove reasoning and self-thinking skills.
They never study from a Bible! One will read a little bit of their study story and the
other will read the Bible verse quoted in the story from the Bible, a bit of story, then
a Bible verse, etc. As you read along with them, the little bit of story stimulates your
right brain and the Bible verse stimulates your left brain, so it causes a continuous
and definite back and forth thinking action, which creates the same effect as a
swinging pendulum. This specially designed study story will have a gradual
hypnotic effect even if you only study with one of them as it is the different subjects
of reading, causing the left brain-right brain use. When two of them are present
however, this back and forth action of the mind is further stimulated by hearing the
person on your left, then the person on the right. Back and forth, back and forth.
This prevents your mind from finding time to examine the information, which is the
prerequisite of hypnosis. Their main meetings follow the same format and have
done, since Joseph Rutherford, learned this principal from Freud around
1914.(Questioning J.W's with the enclosed scriptures will show the blocked mind.)
Watchtower insists all Jehovah Witness meetings
worldwide "must not deviate" from their meeting format
Since psychology student Joseph Rutherford designed the following meeting format
in 1914, it has never changed and J.W. elders are instructed they are not allowed to
change the meeting format in any way. They are also supplied with monotone music
tapes and songs from America which have the story triggering phrases written into
them, which are designed to further support the hypnotic stories.
Watchtower teachings encourage depression, which in turn provokes disease
After attending public meetings, home study sessions and sales meetings with the
Jehovah Witnesses I quickly learned, the procedures the Watchtower society of
America makes their members follow, do not apply positivity, security and personal
development and do not create inner happiness. Watchtower promotes a constantly
negative fear based teaching, which I don't believe children should be exposed to.
It is my opinion they promote these negative fear based teachings to prevent the
members of Jehovah Witnesses families from becoming close and homely, so they
will continue being slaves to sell magazines and collect donations door to door.
Jehovah Witnesses are God loving people who have the best of intentions for the
people they approach. They offer themselves as servants without asking for
anything in return, it is my belief they are, unfortunately, deceived into becoming
servants of the Watchtower tax-free moneymaking machine, instead of servants of
God.
i was wondering if anyone knows how a brother would make his way up to the governing body.
in my (worldly) opinion, there has to be something like a corporate ladder to climb.
does anyone know what the "procedure" would be?.
2 things rise you up the ranks in WT world.
1st as already stated kiss a lot of ass.
2nd and my fellow former bethelites can attest its about waiting and bidding your time.
at bethel you come in bide your time and in 5 yrs you may be appointede elder. In 10 yrs you may get bethel elder status. 15 years and you could be department or floor overseer (and a table foot at morning worship.) 20 yrs you could be sent out as a bethel speaker. 25+ is when the real perks start kicking in.
Can you see how such a caste type system can stifle all creativity, ass you are molded into a society minion bereft of all persona?
employee notice.
due to the current financial situation caused by the slowdown in the economy, congress has decided to implement a scheme to put workers of 50 years of age and above on early, mandatory retirement, thus creating jobs and reducing unemployment.. this scheme will be known as rape (retire aged people early).. persons selected to be raped can apply to congress to be considered for the shaft program (special help after forced termination).. persons who have been raped and shafted will be reviewed under the screw program (system covering retired-early workers).. a person may be raped once, shafted twice and screwed as many times as congress deems appropriate.. persons who have been raped could get aids (additional income for dependents & spouse) or herpes (half earnings for retired personnel early severance).. obviously persons who have aids or herpes will not be shafted or screwed any further by congress.. persons who are not raped and are staying on will receive as much shit (special high intensity training) as possible.congress has always prided themselves on the amount of shit they give our citizens.. should you feel that you do not receive enough shit, please bring this to the attention of your congressman, who has been trained to give you all the shit you can handle.. sincerely,.
the committee for economic value of individual lives (e.v.i.l.).
EMPLOYEE NOTICE
Due to the current financial situation caused by the slowdown in the economy, Congress has decided to implement a scheme to put workers of 50 years of age and above on early, mandatory retirement, thus creating jobs and reducing unemployment.
This scheme will be known as RAPE (Retire Aged People Early).
Persons selected to be RAPED can apply to Congress to be considered for the SHAFT program (Special Help After Forced Termination).
Persons who have been RAPED and SHAFTED will be reviewed under the SCREW program (System Covering Retired-Early Workers).
A person may be RAPED once, SHAFTED twice and SCREWED as many times as Congress deems appropriate.
Persons who have been RAPED could get AIDS (Additional Income for Dependents & Spouse) or HERPES (Half Earnings for Retired Personnel Early Severance).
Obviously persons who have AIDS or HERPES will not be SHAFTED or SCREWED any further by Congress.
Persons who are not RAPED and are staying on will receive as much SHIT (Special High Intensity Training) as possible.Congress has always prided themselves on the amount of SHIT they give our citizens.
Should you feel that you do not receive enough SHIT, please bring this to the attention of your Congressman, who has been trained to give you all the SHIT you can handle.
Sincerely,
The Committee for Economic Value of Individual Lives (E.V.I.L.)
PS - Due to recent budget cuts and the rising cost of electricity, gas and oil, as well as current market conditions, the Light at the End of the Tunnel has been turned off.
